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It's unsettling that we're both so eager to save the bees, and so eager to save our kids from ticks.


I don't know that it's "unsettling". Both of those seem like objectively good things. The fact that it can be difficult to do both simultaneously is definitely "a thing" but I don't believe it's unsettling. "Difficult to balance" maybe?

Unless you feel that either A- Saving Bees is bad or B- Killing ticks is bad?


I feel that C- killing ticks with ecologically destructive methods is ridiculously ignorant.


But that doesn't mean that it's "unsettling" that we want to save bees, which is what that statement implies.


I understood them to be saying they were unsettled by the dissonance of it.


I believe that you read it that way. I believe that it's a difficult to understand sentence that doesn't appear to properly articulate the message the writer was attempting to convey and that maybe different word choice would provide greater clarity to their point and further the overall discussion.

TL;dr- we deep enough down the semantics rabbit hole and I'm tapping out. Words, amirite?


U r rite


Why? Ticks are a disease vector and unlike bees their population is increasing due to milder winters.


Surely that's a factor, but habitat fragmentation and loss of biodiversity are also very important, and are directly related to the loss of bees.

Killing "the disease vector" doesn't heal the root problem, which is rampant, culturally and economically endorsed destruction of ecological diversity and the environments that foster it. This is happening on multiple fronts, climate change being one of them.

I agree with the poster who advocated chickens and possums... except that I'd go much further than just chickens and possums. We also need to dramatically rethink the way development happens. And further incentivize land rehabilitation and polyculture farming methods such as permaculture.

https://www.caryinstitute.org/newsroom/biodiversity-impacts-...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3382467/


Get more chickens or possums to eat the ticks!


I agree! Our approach to ecological ailments should always be to foster stable ecological diversity!


How are these related?


They are somewhat opposed to each other. You spray pesticides and mow to keep ticks down. You don't want to spray pesticides on bees and natural landscaping features taller grasses / plants etc... that provide cover for ticks, not to mention rodents etc... You also want to spray and or mow to keep mosquitoes down. You can mitigate impact on bees by spraying at dusk/night and avoid spraying flowers.


If we let bees die much more than they already have, current farming becomes infeasible not only because other pollinating species can't pick up the slack but because modern farming actually relies heavily on driving bees around in absurd numbers on flatbed trucks going from farm to farm. If we can promote wild populations, it's a very good thing for not only humans but countless other species.


I'm also unsettled.

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say something very bold. I believe that these are all cut from the same cloth: conventional, extermination focused approaches to "invasive species"; old-school germ theory approaches to infection; peoples' crass approaches to refugees.

https://youtu.be/GFB-d-8_bvY?t=36




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